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  • #16
    Originally posted by qjohn View Post
    Eliminating change of fuel injection points would cause us to all look at fuel injector sizes and adjustable pressure regulators and I don't know what else. Too much freedom to spend time and money, in my opinion, without taking points. Right now, the 2 point assessment pretty much keeps it out of stock classes and that is a good thing.

    John Q
    Ya, but swapping injectors or raising fuel pressure on a stock engine in a stock class will serve ZERO purpose. You won't gain any power. So if somebody wanted to do that.... more power to them. They are just wasting money. If somebody did do mods that required more fuel, bigger injectors would just put the injector duty cycle back into a safer range (80% duty cycle). Its a supporting mod, so why get wacked twice for one mod?
    Brad Oblak -SCSCC
    2000 Z28 #00 AM
    2009, 2010, 2011, 2012 & 2013 AM Class champ- Blue Camaro
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    • #17
      Originally posted by MBC Racing View Post
      Ya, but swapping injectors or raising fuel pressure on a stock engine in a stock class will serve ZERO purpose. You won't gain any power. So if somebody wanted to do that.... more power to them. They are just wasting money. If somebody did do mods that required more fuel, bigger injectors would just put the injector duty cycle back into a safer range (80% duty cycle). Its a supporting mod, so why get wacked twice for one mod?
      Good point. I would still look into what benefit I can get out of some change with whatever car I have. Lots of adjustable fuel regulator companies at least make claims of better performance, and I'm sure I could find a half HP somewhere. Also I could consider manifold swap and stay in stock class, cause I could upgrade the fuel metering to match and still use only 2 points.

      Looks like the purpose of the proposed change is to lower the points of carb + manifold swaps from 3 to 2 and allow unrestricted carb and fuel injection changes. I'm against it because it lowers the barrier (in points) for modifications to too few points.

      JQ

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      • #18
        Some of the points assesments are out of wack..... 3 points for intake and injectors/carb vs 2 points for cam swap or cyl heads.... you get more bang for the buck out of a cam or heads than an intake. Thats why I am proposing the 2 points for the intake. Its possible to pick up 10+ hp out of an intake swap.
        Brad Oblak -SCSCC
        2000 Z28 #00 AM
        2009, 2010, 2011, 2012 & 2013 AM Class champ- Blue Camaro
        2006 & 2007 AR Class champ - Silver Camaro
        HSAX Instructor

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        • #19
          I don't think the points can be adjusted so it is an even playing field for all mods and all cars. Without compelling problems, I'd say no need to fix.

          Hopefully the committee will discuss the proposal at the meeting Saturday and make a decision then. Sorry I will miss the event.

          JQ

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          • #20
            So what can we expect to see for changes???
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            • #21
              Originally posted by Evilution View Post
              So what can we expect to see for changes???
              Eric is acting as HSAX director I believe..... We made proposals and voted. some passed some failed. Next step I think is he presents to council and then they are voted on to be updated in the gcr.

              a couple I know of that passed are street tire classes being allowed to port and polish stock heads, allowance of aftermarket ECU or computer tune in all street classes but not allowing increase of boost. The boost thing was touchy...... Mainly because it is key strokes to pick up an extra hundred hp so that one will need to be addressed in the future. Not my battle because I run real tires.

              deletion of points for rim diameter
              deletion of points for injector or carb change
              2 points for intake manifold change

              Modified point assesment for intercooler change and addition.

              Official stuff will be posted soon.
              Brad Oblak -SCSCC
              2000 Z28 #00 AM
              2009, 2010, 2011, 2012 & 2013 AM Class champ- Blue Camaro
              2006 & 2007 AR Class champ - Silver Camaro
              HSAX Instructor

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              • #22
                Originally posted by MBC Racing View Post
                deletion of points for rim diameter
                I am curious on one discussion point about his item. Now that someone can change rim diameter for free (no points), they can run whatever effective gear ratio they want (OK, within some reason). However, points are still assessed for actually changing the gear ratio. This makes no sense to me. What was the reasoning for not adjusting the final gear change points or maybe adding some tolerance (like changes less than x% are no points)?
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                • #23
                  Originally posted by Integra111 View Post
                  I am curious on one discussion point about his item. Now that someone can change rim diameter for free (no points), they can run whatever effective gear ratio they want (OK, within some reason). However, points are still assessed for actually changing the gear ratio. This makes no sense to me. What was the reasoning for not adjusting the final gear change points or maybe adding some tolerance (like changes less than x% are no points)?
                  There is a margin of gear change that is free points, I want to say it's 4% off the top of my head. The main reason for the diameter rules change was to let guys find decent tires. So many of the "good" tires are only available in certain sizes that don't always match up to stock wheel sizes.
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                  • #24
                    Rule Changes

                    It would help if a copy of the meeting notes were shared with all HSAX driver so we could all see what was discussed voted on ect. Can this happen soon? This would prevent a lot of needless discussion?

                    Bill

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                    • #25
                      Originally posted by Bill Minor View Post
                      It would help if a copy of the meeting notes were shared with all HSAX driver so we could all see what was discussed voted on ect. Can this happen soon? This would prevent a lot of needless discussion?

                      Bill
                      Eric took the notes. HSAX drivers were in attendance and voted. What kind of discussion are you refering to? Should be minimal to no discussion any further on the topics since they were already brought up and voted upon by those in attendance.
                      Brad Oblak -SCSCC
                      2000 Z28 #00 AM
                      2009, 2010, 2011, 2012 & 2013 AM Class champ- Blue Camaro
                      2006 & 2007 AR Class champ - Silver Camaro
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                      • #26
                        I think his point is that there's discussion about things that are already decided.

                        The proposals are printed after they are approved by the board, but as someone trying to plan my winter build, I'd kinda like to see what changes are being proposed. Is that possible?
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                        • #27
                          Originally posted by mszm View Post
                          I think his point is that there's discussion about things that are already decided.

                          The proposals are printed after they are approved by the board, but as someone trying to plan my winter build, I'd kinda like to see what changes are being proposed. Is that possible?
                          I don't see why not. Eric Barnes, would be the man to answer that question.
                          Brad Oblak -SCSCC
                          2000 Z28 #00 AM
                          2009, 2010, 2011, 2012 & 2013 AM Class champ- Blue Camaro
                          2006 & 2007 AR Class champ - Silver Camaro
                          HSAX Instructor

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                          • #28
                            Any rules voted on at the RAT still have to be approved by the MC board I believe, so Eric is probably waiting for that to happen so he can put up official changes and not confuse people.
                            Henry Klopp
                            #382
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                            • #29
                              Rules

                              Yes but since not all HSAX drivers can make the meeting it would help all of us to be better informed about what happened at the meeting just to know what was discussed accepted and what was not accepted, do you not agree? Club and MC meeting minutes keep us informed right? But maybe this to much too expect?

                              Bill

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                              • #30
                                oh I agree, the info would be helpful, especially since I'm starting to work on the car for next season.
                                Henry Klopp
                                #382
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                                Bullfighting, Boxing & Motorsports are the only real sports, everything else is just a game.

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